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Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 31 май 2010, 22:46
Kazyulka
ShowMeTheMoney, зайди на http://poker.betfair.com/ Я щас глянул расписание Betfair Poker Live Ялта и думаю, что 20мин будет самый норм, но можно и 30мин.

Ребята, Мы ещё не обсуждали формат стола. У кого какие есть соображения на этот счёт? 10мах, или может 6мах? Высказывайтесь!

upd: ...единственное для чего может быть стоит сделать уровни подлиннее, так это потому, что игра новая,турнир первый, возможны накладочки(тьфу,тьфу,тьфу).

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 31 май 2010, 22:55
ShowMeTheMoney
Kazyulka угу посмотрел, ну если в их формате, то для первого раза хватит и 20 мин, все-таки первый опыт, а там уже буит видно...

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 31 май 2010, 23:31
po4talion
ShowMeTheMoney:Kazyulka у мя у самого нет большого офф-лайн опыта, но 20 мин это оч мало для офф-лайна, тем более для фриза, даже для ребайника это маловато буит, вообще оптимальным было бы сделать уровни по часу, но для первого опыта и для 100+10 это пожалуй пока не нужно, но это было бы оптимальным решением, все это основывается наблюдением за оффлайн турнирами, как местного, так и международно маштаба, все это конечно имхо...
С бай-ином 100+10 уровни будут по 20 мин.. В серии будет много турниров с более глубокой структурой, а для этого, предложенная структура будет оптимальной.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 31 май 2010, 23:50
ShowMeTheMoney
po4talion согласен ;))

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 01:52
po4talion
Kazyulka
Александр, дайте мне в ПМ свои контакты в Skype, ICQ, e-mail.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 01:56
EGOG
Kazyulka, пригласи меня в гости? давай в жиггули сьездим? есть там какойнить санаторий? ты вообще рыбачишь??

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 02:02
Katamaran84
Kazyulka, перечитал последние пару страниц. от всей души поздравляю! твои покерные молитвы были услышаны :)

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 07:06
Kazyulka
Всем привет. ;))


po4talion, я выслал Вам в личные сообщения свои контакты.

EGOG, рыбалку я люблю, но не был на ней уже тыщу лет, в Самарской Луке полно всяких мест для отдыха, но я бывал только в одном, см. последние страницы Одиночества, я там скидывал недавно картину, как раз того места...
...обещать не могу, съездить отдохнуть на несколько дней было бы неплохо, посмотрим, щас вот разгребу немного дела с Оклахомой и подумаем с тобой.
...а вообще я надеюсь, что ты в Ялте будешь 100% ;)) :up:

Katamaran84, спасиб :cheers:

...я уехал в бюро переводов, наверно вернусь после обеда. :hat:

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 07:17
EGOG
Kazyulka, выражение "самарская лука" у меня непременно с пивом ассоциируется. люблю горькое пиво :cheers:

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 01 июн 2010, 16:27
Kazyulka
Друзья. Я обновил первый пост. Удалил все старые версии правил игры и опубликовал самую последнюю версию

...которую сегодня отдал в бюро переводов. Надеюсь сделают качественный перевод, фирма опытная с репутацией, жду, послезавтра будет английский вариант. Всем Удачи ;))

Отдельная благодарность po4talion и Magicbet за анонс турнира :cheers: :hat:

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 07 июн 2010, 18:29
Kazyulka
Всем привет. Только что получил долгожданный перевод правил на английский. Друзья, прошу оценить перевод. Если есть хоть какие-нибудь замечания, то пишите незамедлительно.

Oklahoma Poker (Omaha Poker with discards).

Oklahoma Poker Rules are based on the Omaha rules, although there are some differences.
• Each player is dealt four hole cards. Then the first betting round – “pre-flop” – starts, that is quite similar to Omaha.
• After the betting three cards, the “flop”, are dealt face up in the middle of the table. These are community cards. In the betting round after the flop a player should discard his pocket card (any one he wants) when making his first bet.
• Then a fourth community card, the “turn”, is dealt and represents the third betting round. In this round the player should discard one more pocket card, as in the second round of betting.
• Next, the last community card, the “river”, is dealt. After this the last betting round happens.

The player wins the pot if everyone except him has passed or if he has the strongest hand at the showdown.
In Oklahoma Poker a five-card hand should consist of two pocket cards left and any three out of five community cards on the table.

Oklahoma Poker Game Process:

1.1. After mandatory bets, the big and the small blinds are bet, each player is dealt four hole cards, one card per dealing round, starting from the player who posts the small blind.

1.2. The first betting round. Betting starts with the player immediately clockwise to the big blind. He can:

• pass,
• call, or
• raise.

1.3. The next player can take the same actions and he can also re-raise if the previous player raised. The betting round ends when all active players have bet the amount of chips equal to the biggest bet. After the first betting round, the dealer burns the top card from the pack and deals the flop. Then the second round of betting starts.

1.4. The second betting round. The first player after the button begins the action. If he has already passed his hand, the next player after him makes a bet, etc. The player can do the same actions as in the first round plus check and bet. All these actions can be taken in all other betting rounds.
The feature of the second (and the third) round of betting is that each active player should discard one of his pocket cards (any one he wants) when making his first bidding in a round. Biddings in the second (and the third) rounds stay the same, but without discarding one pocket card.
After this betting round, each active player should have three pocket cards in the hand.

1.5. The third betting round. The dealer once again burns a card and places the fourth card (the “turn”) on the table. Then the third betting round takes place. The rules of this round are the same as for the second one.
After the third betting round, each active player should have two pocket cards in the hand.

1.6. The fourth betting round. One more card is burnt, the fifth and the last card (the “river”) is placed on the table, and the last betting round takes place. So, in the end, each player has all in all seven cards (two cards in his hand and five community cards on the table), from which he produces the highest five-card hand combination

1.7. In Oklahoma Poker the player can produce the best five-card combination only from the two cards left in his hand and any three out of five community cards on the board.

1.8. After the river is placed on the table (or when only one player is left in the game), the dealer puts the part of the pack left on top of the passed cards, so he has both hands free to define the strongest combination and to pay the pot to the winner (or winners).

Note: if at any time when dealing, one or more players make an All-in, the play continues acc. to the game rules. These players should discard one of their cards anyway. The showdown and finding a winner (-s) takes place only after the last betting round ends or after the river, if before that all the active players are All-in.

Attention! In the second and the third betting round the first bet of each active player should consist of two actions. At first, the player should discard (any) one of his pocket cards and then make a bet.
By discarding one card the player proves he wants to stay in!
The next player can make a bet only when he has finished these two actions. If the player does not want to stay in, he can pass and discard all his cards to the dealer.
If after making his first bet in the second or the third betting round the player has already discarded one card, he should check, bet, call, raise or re-raise. In this case the player cannot pass since he proved his wish to stay in by discarding a card. He can pass only when making his next bet.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 07 июн 2010, 19:14
po4talion
Вместо Pass, для иностранцев привычнее будет звучать Fold

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 07 июн 2010, 22:25
Sheval
Kazyulka, сбрось мне этот текст в Wordе. Есть пара неточностей.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 08 июн 2010, 18:49
Kazyulka
Друзья.
Вчера были озвучены замечания и предложения по переводу.
Sheval откликнулся на мою просьбу и отредактировал перевод правил, чем очень мне помог.
Я ему очень благодарен. Спасибо за помощь :up: :cheers: :hat:
Его редактуру я отравил в бюро, пусть они всё проанализируют и сделают(если необходимо) окончательную правку.
Если у кого-нибудь есть замечания, то прошу их высказывать.

Oklahoma Poker (Omaha Poker with discards)

Oklahoma Poker Rules are based on the Omaha rules, although there are some significant differences.
• Each player is dealt four hole cards. Then the first betting round (pre-flop) starts, that is fully identical to Omaha.
• After the betting, three community cards (the flop) are dealt face up on the table. In the betting round after the flop a player should discard his pocket card (any one he wants) when making his first bet.
• Then a fourth community card (the turn) is dealt. After the turn begins the third betting round. In this round the player should discard one more pocket card, as in the second round of betting.
• Next, the last community card (the river) is dealt. After this the last betting round begins between players still in the game.

The player wins the pot if everyone except him has folded or if he has the strongest hand at the showdown.
In Oklahoma Poker a five-card combination should consist of two pocket cards left and any three out of the five community cards on the table.

Oklahoma Poker Game Process:

1.1. After mandatory bets (the big and the small blinds) are bet, each player is dealt four hole cards, one card per dealing round, starting from the player sitting on the small blind.

1.2. The first betting round. Betting starts with the player sitting right after the big blind (clockwise). He can:

• fold,
• call, or
• raise.

1.3. The next player can take the same actions and he can also re-raise if the previous player raised. The betting round ends when all active players have bet the amount of chips equal to the biggest bet. After the first betting round, the dealer burns the top card from the pack and deals the flop. Then the second round of betting starts.

1.4. The second betting round. The first player after the button begins the action. If he has already folded his hand, the next player after him makes a bet, etc. The player can do the same actions as in the first round of betting plus check and bet. All these actions also apply to all other betting rounds.
The feature of the second (and the third) round of betting is that each active player should discard one of his pocket cards (any one he wants) when making his first bidding in a round. Next biddings in the second (and the third) rounds players make as usually.
After this betting round, each active player should have three hole cards.

1.5. The third betting round. The dealer once again burns a card and places the fourth community card (the turn) on the table. Then the third betting round begins. The rules of this round are the same as for the second one.
After the third betting round, each active player should have two hole cards left.

1.6. The fourth betting round. One more card is burnt, the fifth and the last card (the river) is placed on the table, and the last betting round takes place. So, in the end, each player has totally seven cards (two hole cards in his hand and five community cards on the table), from which the highest five-card hand combination is composed.

1.7. In Oklahoma Poker the player can compose the best five-card combination only from the two hole cards left in his hand and any three out of five community cards on the board.

1.8. After the river is placed on the table (or when only one player is left in the game), the dealer puts the part of the pack left on the top of folded cards, so he has both hands free to define the strongest combination and to pay the pot to the winner (or winners).

Note: if at any time when dealing, one or more players make an All-in, the play continues acc. to the game rules. These players should discard one of their cards during second and third round anyway. The showdown and determination of a winner (-s) takes place only after the last betting round ends (or after the river, if before that all the active players are All-in).

Attention! In the second and the third betting round the first bet of each active player should consist of two actions. At first, the player should discard (any) one of his pocket cards and then make a bet.
By discarding one card the player proves he stays in!
The next player can make a bet only when the previous player has finished these two actions. If the player does not want to stay in, he can fold all his cards to the dealer.
If after making his first bet in the second or the third betting round the player has already discarded one card, he should check, bet, call, raise or re-raise. In this case the player cannot fold since he proved his wish to stay in by discarding one card. He can fold only when making his next move.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 16 июн 2010, 15:46
Kazyulka
Всем привет. Сегодня наконец прислали отредактированный вариант перевода правил, за форс-мажор спасибо майл.ру, письма пропадают враз, ну это мелочи, а вот то что мне прислали не особо обрадовало, если коротко, то переводчики почти ничего менять не стали, объяснив всё делом вкуса, типа смысл один и тот же. С ними можно согласится, но не во всём. Впрочем перевод они сделали неплохой, + Sheval очень помог. Я взял на себя смелость и скомпилировал обе версии, кое-какие поправки взял у Sheval(не все правда), кое что оставил как было и вот выдаю на ваш суд данный вариант. Если не будет возражений и замечаний, то можно будет считать этот вариант перевода окончательным и тогда с правилами вопрос решён, я надеюсь. (добавил английскую версию в шапку)

Oklahoma Poker (Omaha Poker with discards)

Oklahoma Poker Rules are based on the Omaha rules, although there are some differences.
• Each player is dealt four hole cards. Then the first betting round (pre-flop) starts, that is fully identical to Omaha.
• After the betting, three community cards (the flop) are dealt face up on the table. In the betting round after the flop a player should discard his pocket card (any one he wants) when making his first bet.
• Then a fourth community card (the turn) is dealt. After the turn begins the third betting round. In this round the player should discard one more pocket card, as in the second round of betting.
• Next, the last community card (the river) is dealt. After this the last betting round begins between players still in the game.

The player wins the pot if everyone except him has folded or if he has the strongest hand at the showdown.
In Oklahoma Poker a five-card combination should consist of two pocket cards left and any three out of the five community cards on the table.

Oklahoma Poker Game Process:

1.1. After mandatory bets (the big and the small blinds) are bet, each player is dealt four hole cards, one card per dealing round, starting from the player sitting on the small blind.

1.2. The first betting round. Betting starts with the player sitting right after the big blind (clockwise). He can:

• fold,
• call, or
• raise.

1.3. The next player can take the same actions and he can also re-raise if the previous player raised. The betting round ends when all active players have bet the amount of chips equal to the biggest bet. After the first betting round, the dealer burns the top card from the pack and deals the flop. Then the second round of betting starts.

1.4. The second betting round. The first player after the button begins the action. If he has already folded his hand, the next player after him makes a bet, etc. The player can do the same actions as in the first round of betting plus check and bet. All these actions also apply to all other betting rounds.
The feature of the second (and the third) round of betting is that each active player should discard one of his pocket cards (any one he wants) when making his first bidding in a round.
Next biddings in the second (and the third) rounds stay the same, but without discarding one pocket card.
After this betting round, each active player should have three hole cards.

1.5. The third betting round. The dealer once again burns a card and places the fourth community card (the turn) on the table. Then the third betting round begins. The rules of this round are the same as for the second one.
After the third betting round, each active player should have two hole cards.

1.6. The fourth betting round. One more card is burnt, the fifth and the last card (the river) is placed on the table, and the last betting round takes place. So, in the end, each player has totally seven cards (two hole cards in his hand and five community cards on the table), from which the highest five-card hand combination is composed.

1.7. In Oklahoma Poker the player can compose the best five-card combination only from the two hole cards left in his hand and any three out of five community cards on the board.

1.8. After the river is placed on the table (or when only one player is left in the game), the dealer puts the part of the pack left on the top of folded cards, so he has both hands free to define the strongest combination and to pay the pot to the winner (or winners).

Note: if at any time when dealing, one or more players make an All-in, the play continues acc. to the game rules. These players should discard one of their cards during second and third round anyway. The showdown and determination of a winner (-s) takes place only after the last betting round ends or after the river, if before that all the active players are All-in.

Attention! In the second and the third betting round the first bet of each active player should consist of two actions. At first, the player should discard (any) one of his pocket cards and then make a bet.
By discarding one card the player proves he stays in!
The next player can make a bet only when the previous player has finished these two actions. If the player does not want to stay in, he can fold all his cards to the dealer.
If after making his first bet in the second or the third betting round the player has already discarded one card, he should check, bet, call, raise or re-raise. In this case the player cannot fold since he proved his wish to stay in by discarding one card. He can fold only when making his next move.


p.s. ...ну и потихоньку подготавливаюсь к поездке в Ялту, билеты туда уже взял + заказал от туда. осталось вывести необходимую на поездку сумму из рума и найти жильё в Ялте(пока только присматриваюсь на сайтах аренды). Вот такие пироги. :rolleyes: Всем Удачи. :hat:

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 16 июн 2010, 15:51
FarizAA
Kazyulka:p.s. ...ну и потихоньку подготавливаюсь к поездке в Ялту, билеты туда уже взял + заказал от туда. осталось вывести необходимую на поездку сумму из рума и найти жильё в Ялте(пока только присматриваюсь на сайтах аренды). Вот такие пироги. :rolleyes: Всем Удачи. :hat:

Тебе тоже удачи.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 16 июн 2010, 16:21
Sheval
Kazyulka, ну причем тут дело вкуса? Понятно, что некоторые вещи можно перевести по-разному, но я не о таких моментах говорил :?? В целом последняя версия ИМХО вполне играбельна.
Есть только одна серьезная ошибка:
After mandatory bets, the big and the small blinds are bet...
"После обязательных ставок ставятся большой и малый блайнды" - в Оклахоме есть обязательные ставки помимо МБ и ББ? Если да, то ты об этом ничего не говоришь, а если нет, то почему ты не взял мою редакцию этого места?

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 16 июн 2010, 16:39
Kazyulka
Sheval, извини Дружище, видать проглядел и не разобрался, щас исправлю на твою версию. Я пытался взять максимум из твоей редакции, за исключением пары фраз, которые имхо не подходят к некоторым моментам, которые мы долго обсуждали и спорили с Don Bulldozer, а так в целом твои поправки явно улучшили перевод. Спасибо ОГРОМНОЕ. :cheers: :clap: Если что, пиши, твоё мнение очень важно для меня. :up:

upd: ...исправил на твой вариант
1.1. After mandatory bets (the big and the small blinds) are bet, each player is dealt four hole cards, one card per dealing round, starting from the player sitting on the small blind.

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 18 июн 2010, 10:42
EGOG
Аудиоплеер

Re: Казюлькин бред или Омаха со сбросом карт (Оклахома)

СообщениеДобавлено: 20 июн 2010, 23:10
VladowlBY
Kazyulka, УБИЛ МЕНЯ СВОЕЙ МАЙКОЙ ! СУПЕР! :-D :))) :lol: :lol: :lol:
Тебя весь бывший СССР узнает в ней! :up: ;))